Timothy Jay Schwab who is The God Culture is all over the place. The man cannot keep his theories straight. In a new video Tim claims Pliny the Elder places Chryse, the land of gold, in the Philippines. That is totally wrong but what concerns us here is the comment section of that video.
🌏 Pliny the Elder’s Lost Map to the Philippines: The Real Chryse and Argyre Exposed (77 A.D.) |
@TheVineOfChristLives: I wish. Until Roman or Greco-Roman materials pop up in some dig in the Philippines, I can’t be convinced of the correlation.
@TheGodCulture: When we handcuff thought, things tend to fail. Start with your narrative which is not found in any text. Chryse was not a Roman nor Greek society as they just went there for gold, and the thinking the Spanish would not obliterate such record when the written history recorded to exist is gone, you set yourself up to fail. When hundreds of maps and historical references over a 6,000-year period align and you ignore that because you are looking for archeology that was wiped out you shouldn't require, and no one is looking for, of course it fails your false test. Your test is false however, the data is not. Pliny, Mela, etc. said what they said. Where is your Roman and Greek archeology in any other area making false claims? There is none. It's like the US interview we had where after 2 hours of data, the illiterate dude came back into the conversation saying "it's a shame you couldn't find archaeology of the Garden of Eden. So, what was he looking for? Fruit? Though a smart guy, he fell for stupid unacademic thought that controls. You can do better. Yah Bless.
This commenter says he wants to believe the Greeks knew about the Philippines but there is a distinct lack of archaeological evidence to support that thesis. Tim comes in like Darth Vader saying, "I find your lack of faith disturbing." You see, the commenter has handcuffed his mind by attempting to look for archaeological evidence. Tim says all that evidence has been obliterated and remains only in ancient maps and itineraries.
There is a reference to a US interview which seems to be Tim's appearance on the Jon Pounders show. That video is only an hour long so it could be the wrong video. The video has been deleted but you can read about it here. In that interview Tim could not provide archaeological proof for the Philippines being the Garden of Eden except for the existence of untapped gold deposits.
52:26 Have you found any like, uh, archaeological evidence or anything that would suggest or would add to this, um, idea of the Garden of Eden being the Philippines? Have you seen any any finds or anything that just kind of suggests that it's possible?
Um, more, more of it being the land of gold which is everywhere. There's gold deposits all over, uh, not on every island of the 7000 but all over the archipelago and a massive vein, uh, running through throughout.
Schwab substitutes actual evidence with speculative interpretations of resources, adding to the pattern of his unsubstantiated claims.
Tim says "Chryse was not a Roman nor Greek society as they just went there for gold" asserting that this means no archaeology would exist, and any that did was wiped out by the Spanish. This is a 180° turn from what Tim has said in the past.
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Did The Ancients Sail Around Africa? Bible Evidence. Solomon's Gold Series 16A |
32:11 So, here we have history, yes history, that in 800 BC the ships of Tarshish, the Greek ships yes from the Greek colony over in the Philippines, were able to show up in Joppa Israel on the Mediterranean. How about that? There was no Suez Canal yet and the Red Sea port was out of commission. They circumnavigated Africa it was the only option and it's documented right here in 800 BC.
In his video series about Greeks circumnavigating Africa to trade with the Philippines Tim says there was a Greek colony in the Philippines. A colony is by definition a society. Why is Tim now denying the existence of a Greek colony in the the Philippines? In his book The Search for King Solomon's Treasure Tim says the Greeks sailed to the Philippines to trade for 650 years.
The Greeks traded with the Philippines for gold and silver from roughly around 800-150 B.C. and Mela retained this from the “olden writers” of Greece. This further affirms the claim that the Philippines was mining gold in 1000 B.C. as the Encyclopedic Dictionary of Archaeology alludes and author, researcher and historian Paul Kekai Manansala, author Scott Walker, Wikipedia and others stake. [10] The Greeks were merely continuing the Phoenician routes of Solomon’s navy. One cannot ignore the origin of the Greek language and marine acumen being Phoenicia who were Solomon’s navy.
The Search for King Solomon's Treasure, pg. 43
Then he says it was customary on such long voyages to purchase land and plant crops as well as cut timber and mine to prepare for the long return voyage.
King Solomon built many ships, a navy or fleet of likely 50. Based on Phoenician merchant ships of that time, they were large with at least two rows of rowers carrying 450 tons of cargo and travelling at 6 miles per hour. Let us understand a little context about the habits of these Phoenician Merchant Ships and we can calculate this journey based on these capabilities. The Phoenician merchants were very conservative which is why they were the best in their era. They did not wreck often because they hugged the coasts and only sailed in the daytime avoiding obstacles hard to see at night.
“The navigation of the Phoenicians, in early times, was no doubt cautious and timid. So far from venturing out of sight of land, they usually hugged the coast, ready at any moment, if the sea or sky threatened, to change their course and steer directly for the shore. On a shelving coast they were not at all afraid to run their ships aground, since, like the Greek vessels, they could be easily pulled up out of reach of the waves, and again pulled down and launched, when the storm was over and the sea calm once more. At first they sailed, we may be sure, only in the daytime, casting anchor at nightfall, or else dragging their ships up upon the beach, and so awaiting the dawn. But after a time they grew more bold.”
–George Rawlinson [112]
In addition, on extremely long explorations in this era, it was customary to purchase land upon arrival in order to plant one’s own crops for the return trip. Along with trading, timbering, mining and other preparations for the return, we have calculated in one year for this.
The Search for King Solomon's Treasure, pgs. 130-131
While that section is about the Phoenician method of sailing Tim is adamant the Greeks inherited their shipping routes. Are we to suppose that the Greeks did not also inherit the Phoenician methods of purchasing "land upon arrival in order to plant one’s own crops for the return trip?" If the Phoenicians and Greeks were trading with the Philippines in such a manner for centuries, it is inconceivable they left no trace. Yet, while he mentions gold production in India, not even Herodotus discusses a trade route circumnavigating Africa to the Far East.
While Tim denies physical artifacts such as weapons or pottery were left behind by the Greeks, or destroyed by the Spanish, he does not totally deny any trace of a Greek presence in the Philippines. There are several passages in Tim's book where he claims Filipino place names are actually Greek. Here is just one passage.
Not only did the Hebrews of Ophir and brothers migrate to the Philippines but also the Greek Tarshish supplied the ships for their journey. We find references to him on Mindanao especially but none more fascinating than the Greek loan word Apo.Most point to Apo as a Greek loan word not originating in the Philippine languages. How does Greek enter the Philippines in use especially in naming it's highest mountain and used in language Grandparent/elder or grandchild? Tarshish left his family migrating far away from his elders and likely some of his grandchildren. It makes sense.
Part of Tim's underlying myth the Philippines is Ophir and Sheba is that Tarshish provided them ships to sail to the Philippines. Tarshish's reward was Mindanao. Therefore Mindanao is Greek.
Therefore, Ophir and Sheba needed ships and Tarshish provided them. His payment for this endeavor carrying them back to their homeland would be to inherit a piece of that land logically as he certainly did according to scripture in order to have land in that region especially since Tarshish’s territory is no where near there otherwise but the Greek isles. David mentions ships and kings of Tarshish two times before Solomon’s reign before his navy even began construction (Ps. 48:7, 72:10). Both are prophesies that Tarshish will bring gifts to Messiah with Ophir and Sheba and it’s ships destroyed.
Rome did not benefit from this knowledge so easily as this was established by Israel with Phoenicia managing the route. Greece inherited this and, as they represent Tarshish’s family. That makes sense.
Tarshish is Mindanao, Philippines as it is mapped as the Greek land of silver, Argyre (The Hebrew Tarshish) especially on the 1492 Portuguese globe of Behaim just South of Luzon/Chryse. Mindanao also tests as the only place in the Philippines which fully aligns with Tarshish in resources especially due to tin.
The Search for King Solomon's Treasure, pg. 125
All of this points to a Greek society or colony which Tim is now denying ever existed. Where is the evidence of that Greek colony? According to Tim it lies in the local Filipino languages at least. If that is the case then this points directly to a sustained presence, potentially a settlement, or at least a highly integrated and long-term interaction that would absolutely constitute a "society" or leave archaeological traces.
However the reality is it doesn't exist in any shape or form. There are no artifacts, there are no writings, there is nothing to support that claim. Maybe that's why Tim has changed his theory. Tim dumps all over the idea that one should be looking for archaeological evidence to prove such an extraordinary claim.
When hundreds of maps and historical references over a 6,000-year period align and you ignore that because you are looking for archeology that was wiped out you shouldn't require, and no one is looking for, of course it fails your false test. Your test is false however, the data is not.
If there was no Greek society or colony in the Philippines then what exactly was wiped out by the Spanish? You can’t destroy something that didn’t exist. If there was an ancient Greek colony in the Philippines there should be evidence of its existence. From written records to artifacts, the theory demands proof Tim cannot provide. While Tim says archaeological evidence does not exist he contradicts himself by asserting linguistic evidence exists. Positing there was a Greek colony in the Philippines without proof and then saying, we don't have proof because it has been wiped out, is illogical reasoning. One cannot make a positive affirmation about an ancient Greek society existing in the Philippines in the absence of evidence. It's an admission Tim has no proof for his claims. As Carl Sagan wrote:
Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.
Every single one of Tim's theories regarding the Philippines is unfalsifiable. There is simply no hard, tangible evidence to validate his claims.
Tim will say the evidence is in the maps but he continues to misinterpret Pliny, Pomponius Mela, and every other historian and map he comes across. No Greek or Roman travelogue or map refers to the Philippines. I have written about this before. It's a wonder Tim didn't mention the "Greek armor" found in Mindanao.
Tim's claim the Greek history of the Philippines was completely wiped out does not hold up. In Vietnam evidence has been found of a Roman presence.
Óc Eo (Vietnamese) is an archaeological site in modern-day Óc Eo commune of Thoại Sơn District in An Giang Province of southern Vietnam. Located in the Mekong Delta, Óc Eo was a busy port of the kingdom of Funan between the 2nd century BC and 12th century AD and it may have been the port known to the Romans as Cattigara.The remains found at Óc Eo include pottery, tools, jewelry, casts for making jewelry, coins, and religious statues. Among the finds are gold jewellery imitating coins from the Roman Empire of the Antonine period. Roman golden medallions from the reign of Antoninus Pius, and possibly his successor Marcus Aurelius, have been discovered at Óc Eo, which was near Chinese-controlled Jiaozhou and the region where Chinese historical texts claim the Romans first landed before venturing further into China to conduct diplomacy in 166. Many of the remains have been collected and are on exhibition in Museum of Vietnamese History in Ho Chi Minh City.Funan was part of the region of Southeast Asia referred to in ancient Indian texts as Suvarnabhumi, and may have been the part to which the term was first applied.
Tim's theory is so ridiculous that not even he can keep up with it. Either there was a Greek colony in the Philippines or there wasn't. Now Tim is saying such a colony never existed. Yet, the assumptions lying behind the claims in his book, the existence of Greek loan words in local Filipino languages and Tarshish inheriting Mindanao, contradict him. Most damning of all is his claim Greeks were trading with the Philippines from 800 - 150 B.C. That is 650 years of interaction and yet there is no archaeological evidence while any alleged linguistic evidence is so paltry, subjective, and an etymological fallacy based on superficial resemblance as to be nonexistent. 650 years of history doesn't simply disappear.
Tim might say it's a case of evolving research but how is the research which compelled him to assert there was a Greek colony in the Philippines now found to be lacking? If Tim categorically affirms there was no Greek colony or society in the Philippines he will have to fundamentally re-write his book. It's just more proof that pseudo-history is the milieu of Timothy Jay Schwab who is The God Culture.